FAX-related music

Alright a thread was started a long time ago for music not on FAX for people wanting to find FAX-like music outside the label, but it was rather ill-fated so I'm starting one that will hopefully become a great resource. So to start off here is a list other cult labels that have been mentioned by the FAX community over the years as worth following as well:

Anodize: Great new ambient label that issues releases in tin cases. Definitely one to watch...

Here post any news or releases you recommend that would interest fans of FAX. I'll continually update these first posts.

Ok here's THE RULE: Everything non-FAX goes here.
Post it here, trust me, IT WILL BE SEEN by us forum goers interested in outside label releases and this thread will usually be at the top of the forum. Make a thread advertising stuff not FAX, expect it to be gone. This is NOT general electronic forum, there are plenty of those that I assume are free to use as advertising space. Think of this as a forum for people who want ONLY FAX discussions and everything else filtered out and this is a special thread is for people who are looking for music recommended if you like FAX. The only exception to the rule is if the thread happens to call for a lengthy discussion in the interest of the community but I imagine that will be rare.

Ebay sales threads are ok, just like on the old FAXlist, but expect the thread gone well after the sales have expired and no threads announcing that you've listed stuff on Discogs, please.

Yagya's first album on Force Intel, which commanded insane prices on eBay has just been remastered and reissued: Yagya - Rhythm Of Snow

Agree with you Kracker and hope people will discover those labels and releases. Also Sending Orbs are back with a great new album collaboration album: Kettel & Secede - When Can.
http://www.sendingorbs.com/

Added a few labels to your list and hope people will check these labels out too:

R.I - Not sure if Rather Interesting will continue as it was a sub label run by Pete Namlook for Atom Tm's output - a brilliant label it is too! well worth looking into for those who might have missed it's limited print releases before.
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/label/Rather+Interesting

Binemusic - has released some great releases inc albums by Move D, Lars Leonhard, Sven Schienhammer (aka Quantec), Scanner, Marconi Union..etc. Everything form ambient, dub-techno, Idm, downtempo, techno and everything in-between is released, all quality. Recent albums have had a new recognizable art look - as with FAX's iconic art on PS/PW albums. Making each release that extra special.
http://www.binemusic.de/

Silent Season - from Canada with cool digi distinguishable art work, with excellent releases across ambient, dub-techno, techno, Idm, experimental - should appeal to FAX followers, Quality releases by Mind Over Midi, Fatih Tuter, Djorvin Clain, ASC, Alteria Percepsyne, Mindspan...etc. Worth checking out.
http://www.silentseason.com/

Also if into dub-techno/ambient/downtempo you might want to investigate the excellent ZeECc label with some strong album releases by The Nautilus Project, Dublicator, joergmueller, Mr. Cloudy, Xoki & Hieronymus
http://www.zeecc.com/

Cheers for the info.

I have a lot of Ultimae releases. Excellent, highly recommended.

Kracker
Sending Orbs: Kettel’s label which releases high quality ambient and IDM masterpieces from only established artists. Sadly, the label put on hiatus but is promising a comeback.

Actualy, SO just released a Kettel & Secede collaboration album. http://www.sendingorbs.com/
Great music.

I'd recommend music released on Somnia

councilof9
Actualy, SO just released a Kettel & Secede collaboration album. http://www.sendingorbs.com/
Great music.

Really great, indeed. Soundtrack to an imaginary film.
Nice use of vocals; sparse, ethereal. Far more palatable than those on a recent release by a former SO artist.

Different look/style cover art by Jeroen Advocaat than what he's done on SO in the past.

Eric, thanks for making clear that the FAX forum is for FAX releases and artist discussions and then listing other forums for very worthy labels that also deserve attention.

Thanks for the list - need new data to fill that FAX sized hole in my life. Placed order for Yagya‎– Rhythm Of Snow on the strength of its companions in your list. Thanks again.

Kracker
Apollo: When R&S Records received Aphex Twin’s Selected Ambient Works, their reaction was to launch an ambient sub-label , Apollo.

The 'new' R&S Apollo incarnation isn't purely ambient, however.
Weak, skittery dubsteppy stuff and lukewarm downtempo; total Teflon.
Wouldn't recommend any of the new stuff to anyone.
A couple of years ago they even put out a rock act on the Apollo offshoot.

What about 12k? Didn't Taylor Deupree creat this label around the time Insinct Records/Instinct Ambient was going under? Some good releases on this label.

NolanCa
Didn't Taylor Deupree creat this label around the time Insinct Records/Instinct Ambient was going under?

Yes.
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/label/12k

NolanCa
Some good releases on this label.

Yes.
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Frank-Bretschneider-Looping-I-VI-And-Other-Assorted-Love-Songs/release/261563
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Shuttle358-Frame/release/57348

Coming in 2013 on Psychonavigation records Mick Chillage "Tales From The Igloo Retold" a collection of remixes taken from my debut album which will feature many of my past and recent influences, including a Fax artist :) all to be announced in spring 2013.

https://soundcloud.com/mick-chillage/rotation-retold-by-scanner AKA Robin Rimbaud

Kracker

Elektrolux/Mikrolux: German label founded in 1995 featuring a unique class of ambient, electro, and dub releases. Launched an IDM sub-label, Mikrolux, in 2002. Somewhat retired after rebranding itself Elux Records in 2008.

Just to let you know Elektrolux /Elux has just released a new album :
http://www.eluxrecords.com/releases/index.html

Kracker
Ultimae Records: High quality psytrance/ambient label that lives up to its name

Just got into this label - and have been very pleased with it so-far.

Kracker
Ultimae Records: High quality psytrance/ambient label that lives up to its name

Hit or miss; more miss than hit.

Kracker
Canadian label Databloem

Dutch, not Canadian. "bloem" = "bloom".
Dataobscura are Canadian.

Steve Hillage - Rainbow Dome Musick = must-have for lovers of FAX.
Track 1: Garden of Paradise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrUi-RQwmtQ
Track 2: Four Ever Rainbow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on_mXvA5bEY

Another must-have for serious FAX listeners: Edgar Froese - Aqua
Full album, all in one go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUxIDFoo9zI

Somnia had a brief run with a few stand-outs. Dreamtime Submersible and the P. Laoss album come to mind)

Label: Hidden
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/label/Hidden+%282%29

A short lived gem label - I think (can't confirm!) the label had some kind of link to Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia.

...also Makyo _ a artist I was so hoping for Namlook to maybe one day be able to collaborate with. Makyo's music crosses Ambient, Classical, Acid, Eastern influences, Techno, Dub and Downetempo - can relate with Fax PS releases and certain Namlook's collaboration and his solo work.

Personally never been disappointed with his Makyo releases.

FAX fans should look into his other project: Pasana ‎(S/T) album. 3 tracks of beautiful deep trance, classical, gorgeous ambient. A great album that reminds me of those special moments from PS/PW/PK FAX albums: Zenith, Air, Sultan, Electro Harmonix, Second Nature, Sea Biscuit.

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/artist/Makyo

Makyo label is worth checking to:
http://www.dakinirecords.com/

Some excellent ambient-downtempo also on Chillcode Music:
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/label/Chillcode+Music

Thanks for these wonderful tips - such a help.
Been listening to the latest Yagya CD thanks to you Kracker - Gabriel is the best sad song ambient dub track I've heard in years.

BTW - I mailed Sending Orbs and they said the equally over priced (£100) deleted Will I Dream During the Process is also getting the reissue treatment. Looking forward to that.

Free !! thirteen minute ambient with beats track.. Happy Christmas :)

http://yardrec.bandcamp.com/track/dirt2-mick-chillage-solstice-mix

Just listened to the five Ultimae albums recently picked up. Think a lot of FAX listeners may be interested in this label. Very polished deep varied music genres and ambient on the albums below. Nice distinguishable collection look to the albums (which was what originally attracted and interested me to FAX label and music).

AES DANA - Pollen
SYNC24 -Source
SYNC24- Comfortable Void
CARBON BASED LIFEFORMS - Twentythree
CONNECT.OHM - 9980

...also Binemusic which I've also been going through, and have re-discovered some FAX related listening moods and atmosphere with ambient and music across different genres. Recommended below releases:

BENJAMIN BRUNN - König Und Drache
MOVE D + BENJAMIN BRUNN* - Let's Call It A Day
MOVE D - 10/11 - Live At Johanneskirche
MOVD D - Tonspuren 1-10
ANDO (4) - Habitat
SCANNER - Rockets, Unto The Edges Of Edges
MARCONI UNION - Tokyo
SVEN SCHIENHAMMER - Altostratus Translucidus
LARS LEONHARD - 1549

Released on the excellent Dial label. A Collaboration between Pantha Du Prince and Stephan Abry fusing ambient + accousrtic-electronica-techno with a very FAX feel to it (Silence, Virtua Vices, Air)

URSPRUNG S/T
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/artist/Ursprung

Your probably all aware of these classics - but for anyone who may have missed them: - The IRRESISTIBLE FORCE 'Flying High' and 'Global Chillage' albums. Both excellent ambient classics.

Awesome stuff Mick. I'll be looking forward to 'Igloo Retold' next year and mention how good it is whenever i get it

Yeah 12k is a big cult label but there's a lot of experimental, glitchy, minimal releases to have to dig through. He had a collaboration with Tetsu Inoue on 12k that was just ear-shattering.
I'm liking the the Kettel / Secede from [Invalid Label] but it seems like something that was in the can for awhile and they finally got the label up and running enough to release it. But they're still not back to releasing established artists again.
As for Elektrolux since rebranding as Elux Records they haven't really released anything good among the one release a year they managed to put out

Kracker
thanks cracker :) It should be a belter!!

player
Just listened to the five Ultimae albums recently picked up. Think a lot of FAX listeners may be interested in this label. Very polished deep varied music genres and ambient on the albums below. Nice distinguishable collection look to the albums (which was what originally attracted and interested me to FAX label and music).

SYNC24 -Source
SYNC24- Comfortable Void
CARBON BASED LIFEFORMS

Agree. I have SYNC24 - Source, it is excellent. Just checked out the new one Comfortable Void which really sounds like something quite special and will be purchased shortly 8-). I have 3 CBL albums, beautiful stuff.

Also recommend CELL- Hanging Masses, and HYBRID LEISURELAND ( for Tetsu Inoue fans having withdrawal symptoms ) This is actually the "Connect Ohm" duo and I am away to check that out right now !

The album covers of all the Ultimae releases really are beautiful.

Johan Sharp (Spacetime Continuum) - 3 excellent individual album collaborations: Bill Laswell, Tetsu Inoue, Mixmaster Morris.

All albums of lush quality deep ambient-techno/Idm.

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/artist/Jonah+Sharp

As If - fFaraway Trees Standing Still :
Excellent and mostly deep ambient with some gentle beats, dub, and rhythms here and there. If you enjoyed Tetsu Inoue and Namlook's ambient work this is worth looking into.

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/As-If-Faraway-Trees-Standing-Still/release/3973244

Here's the first teaser from Autumn Of Communion 2, one of the more upbeat moments from the album which is almost completed.. Label and release dates TBC..

https://soundcloud.com/mick-chillage/fusion-cosmic-board-teaser-1

mickchillage
Here's the first teaser from Autumn Of Communion 2, one of the more upbeat moments from the album which is almost completed.. Label and release dates TBC..

https://soundcloud.com/mick-chillage/fusion-cosmic-board-teaser-1

Very nice indeed. looking forward to it already !!

Managed to get hold of AOC off itunes last week. Superb album, hope you stick AOC2 out on itunes also, for those requiring instant gratification ;-)

thirdsystem
Cheer's for the :) Not sure if it will end up on itunes ? depends on the label it ends up on but we'll do our best ;)

Just rediscovered this excellent, but sadly short lived label. Artist album inc releases by Victor Sol, Atom Tm, Eyephone; esp good for those who liked FAX PS albums by: Solphax, N+, Gorn, Cour Atomique, David Reeves, Xjacks, Datacide (esp 1st album Rather Interesting label), Thomas P Heckman.

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/label/Hypnotism

H e ckmann not Hackman

vokuhila
H e ckmann not Hackman

ooops! corrected.

Just released my Departure [First Class Edition] Compilation on bandcamp
20 tracks, covering Ambient, IDM,Downtempo, Techno and beyond..

info:
In 2009 I released my second EP "Departure" for Irish based Techno label Nice and Nasty now in their 20th year.Nice and Nasty are better known for their more dancefloor friendly cuts so the title "Departure" seemed more than fitting for the release that consisted of four "Chill Out" or "Downtempo" electronic music tracks that ranged from elements of Jazz to soundtrack inspired ambience to bleepy and bass driven frequencies.

Shortly after the release of the original EP a collection of remixes followed, a remix EP of each track every three months which saw the likes of Finlands IDM master Lackluster turning out a couple of rather stunning glitchy yet emotive remixes.

Dave Anderson [Ferox] Showing of his distinct freestyle keyboard playing style amongst some funky yet minimal grooves.Tomas Jirku's remix went off on a really deep musical and majestic vibe.
Ireland's new techno shinning light The Parellel turned out a solid chunk of abstract electro which got some airplay on Dave Clarke's White Noise radio show and UK based IDM/Classical
veteran Pentatonik delivered an epic cinematic remix of The Final Storm.

http://mickchillage.bandcamp.com/album/departure-first-class-edition

mickchillage
Just released my Departure [First Class Edition] Compilation on bandcamp
20 tracks, covering Ambient, IDM,Downtempo, Techno and beyond..

Nice! I'll be getting this. Love the artwork BTW!

NolanCa
Nice! I'll be getting this. Love the artwork BTW!

Thank you :)

A album recently picked up as a follower of Pantha-Du-Prince music. Pantha-Du-Prince collaborates to excellent effect with Norwegian musicians The Bell Laboratory. Deep-house-techno, ambient, and that Move D / Namlook quirkiness that will certainly appeal to all those who enjoyed those quality FAX ambient-techno/house-Idm Move D / Namlook albums.

http://boomkat.com/cds/629703-pantha-du-prince-elements-of-light

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Pantha-Du-Prince-Bell-Laboratory-Elements-Of-Light/master/510274

Best ambient album in 2012 for me:

Jim Coleman - Trees
discogs.mejorespelis.org/Jim-Coleman-Trees/release/3785821

Mick, I'm REALLY hoping the next Autumn of Communion is released on a label not afraid to press 300-500 copies instead of people having to fight over 50 hand-numbered copies sold out long before the day of release.

Kracker
Mick, I'm REALLY hoping the next Autumn of Communion is released on a label not afraid to press 300-500 copies instead of people having to fight over 50 hand-numbered copies sold out long before the day of release.

So do I mate :) Unfortunately many labels are doing the limited CD runs purely on an economics level, 200 + CD's can be risky for ambient music unless you are Bvdub or
Ulrich Schnauss or someone.. We are looking towards some decent labels at the moment though, hopefully someone who is clued in to Fax etc and are willing to invest in a proper release will happen soon..

coming soon on..txt is the new album between metamatics and ishq..limited numbered to 100 copies...
also coming in march is the new album by myself and Wil Bolton called The Ashes Of Piemonte and released on cd by Time Released Sound limited edition music label in March..here is a preview of that-
https://soundcloud.com/moss-garden-2/the-ashes-of-piemonte-ordained

new album as moss garden coming out on in 4 weeks on new japanese label kaico
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Moss-Garden-Understanding-Holy-Ghosts/release/4103516

new nacht plank available on alio die's hunt sic leones label in march also-handmade limited to 100 copies

the new autumn of communion will be coming out on ...txt and super limited to 100 glass mastered cds in hand made sleeves..i will be selling them for pre order soon

I've released a project called 'Indiana Drones' which is a collaboration between myself + Phonaut. We did this back in November and it was intended for the Sublabel.. unfortunately the completion of this project coincided with Namlook's ing so I decided to release this myself as my own tribute to him & his legacy.

Each of the 5 parts have their own artwork, from photos of Traben Trarbach and Pete's house.

Enjoy
http://materialobject.bandcamp.com/album/indiana-drones

nice mate..i'll be buying this..dont usually buy digital releases but this is worthy

materialobject
I've released a project called 'Indiana Drones' which is a collaboration between myself + Phonaut. We did this back in November and it was intended for the Sublabel.. unfortunately the completion of this project coincided with Namlook's ing so I decided to release this myself as my own tribute to him & his legacy

I hope it does get a physical release !

canaxis:
the new autumn of communion will be coming out on ...txt and super limited to 100 glass mastered cds in hand made sleeves..i will be selling them for pre order soon

Glad to read the new Autumn of Communion album will be pressed on glass mastered cd. Really looking forward to it.

materialobject
I've released a project called 'Indiana Drones' which is a collaboration between myself + Phonaut. We did this back in November and it was intended for the Sublabel.. unfortunately the completion of this project coincided with Namlook's ing so I decided to release this myself as my own tribute to him & his legacy.

First I've ever purchased and so deserves a full CD release and one I'd buy again if it makes it onto disc... Listening now, truly epic!!!

I'll buy the CD, Mick. Your music is pretty great.

Thanks for the kind words. This one wont see a physical release but future, non dancefloor projects may..

cheers

free 2 track
these tracks wont be on the cd but gives you an idea of the trip forthcoming

http://kaico.bandcamp.com/album/already-there-ep

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Moss-Garden-Already-There-EP/release/4224779

This release totally belongs to be on FAX: SecondFace - Vega Colony

VinylClub.ua
vladza about 2 hours ago
This release totally belongs to be on FAX: SecondFace - Vega Colony

Was actually thinking about picking SecondFace - Vega Colony album up soon - did buy the artist As If album on same label which is also a worthy ambient(mostly)-dub album. The label seems promising.

As If is great too. But totally different music. As If is dub techno and SecondFace is ambient trance techno like a lot of great FAX releases of 90s.

Player, if you still didn't get the Ethernet - Opus 2 album, do it. You will like it. Great ambient with elements of dub techno. Nobody submitted to Discogs yet.

Thanks will look into them - esp SecondFace album

VinylClub.ua
vladza 29 minutes ago
Player, if you still didn't get the Ethernet - Opus 2 album, do it. You will like it. Great ambient with elements of dub techno. Nobody submitted to Discogs yet.

Also for anyone who might have missed these excellent albums:

Atom Tm - Cold Memories (2xCD)
Excellent Live recording of ambient and minimal techno.
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Atom-Cold-Memories/release/3352443

Atom™ & Tobias* - Grand Blue
Quality modern classical and ambient with a electronic edge.
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Atom-Tobias-Grand-Blue/release/3417199

Atom Tm
Winterreise (Raster Noton)
Another quality glitch, experimental, ambient album, Read The Reviews¬!
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Atom-Winterreise/master/421580

Bton - 4th Floor
A excellent and sadly under-the-radar released album by Jonas Grossman aka as one-half of the excellent Deep Space Network(inc Move D) and part of Cont. Released on Source-records.
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Bton-4th-Floor/release/432938

Not particularly Fax sounding but as an ex Fax artist I wish to inform those who may be interested
in a re-issue of one of my electro spaced out breakbeat EP's

The "Vaporized" EP was released on UK based Robot Records back in 2010. The EP was a collection of full on electro and breaks tracks which reached the top ten electro chart at Juno plus the top of the Official StreetSounds Electro chart. for several weeks.

This new special edition sees the addition of two previously unreleased electro tracks "Bio Read Out" and "Electron" and is only available exclusively from bandcamp..

http://mickchillage.bandcamp.com/album/vaporized-special-bandcamp-edition

player
Bton - 4th Floor
A excellent and sadly under-the-radar released album by Jonas Grossman

Agreed, this album is worthwhile. I didn't even know it was JG! A bit on the light & funk side. The eponymous track is a fun disco-y romp.

For some oldies but goodies in the FAX vein:
Robert Leiner - Visions of the Past
LSG - Into Deep (O.Leib)
Journeyman - Mama 6
Higher Intelligence Agency - Freefloater (of SHADO fame)

Newer:
Asura - Life2
Weatherman - Curious Liquid
Shuttle 358 - Understanding Wildlife
Phonosynthese - Waldall

moss garden-understanding holy ghosts now available to pre order

http://naturebliss.bandcamp.com/album/understanding-holy-ghosts

I'd like to recommend Stormloop. Superb spacy drones. I think this artist would probably have ended up releasing material on the Fax label if Pete were still around...bless him.

For the latest Stormloop release (very nicely packaged and dedicated to Pete amongst others) and the rest of the catalogue see here:

http://stormloop.bandcamp.com/album/back-to-dust

Sounds really good from the samples.

canaxis
moss garden-understanding holy ghosts now available to pre order

http://naturebliss.bandcamp.com/album/understanding-holy-ghosts

Absolute classics in ambient-techno.

tcordes
For some oldies but goodies in the FAX vein:
Robert Leiner - Visions of the Past
LSG - Into Deep (O.Leib)

Two more quality albums on Ultimae label I recently picked up:
Solar Fields ‎– Until We Meet The Sky:
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Solar-Fields-Until-We-Meet-The-Sky/release/3286627
For all FAX ambient fans esp those who enjoyed FAX albums by Tetsu Inoue, (Namlook) Silence, Atom Tm - Live at I/S/C + Orange.

Aes Dana - Parimeters:
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Aes-Dana-Perimeters/release/2700992
Excellent album fusing beatless ambient, light trance, downtempo rhythms, Idm.

I agree, very Namlook and FAX ambient in the best way.

BubbleUniverse
I'd like to recommend Stormloop. Superb spacy drones. I think this artist would probably have ended up releasing material on the Fax label if Pete were still around...bless him.

Thanks, Player.

By the way I ordered the Moss Garden: Understanding Holy Ghosts album (mentioned above) and have got a to listen to while I wait for the CD. An excellent effort. Really chilled out and the perfect listen after a stressful day at the office.

agree about stormloop..kev's music is awesome.
he has just done a remix for my new ambient project

Look forward to hearing that. Should be a fab collaboration!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHFm0rpqKLU

I've been listening to the new release from Fieldtriqp - Hidden Tracks.
Some really beautiful stuff here!

http://fieldtriqp.bandcamp.com/album/hidden-tracks

my moss garden album is released now..enjoy

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Moss-Garden-Understanding-Holy-Ghosts/release/4103516

Just got Understanding Holy Ghosts by Moss Garden (see above) in the post today. Beautifully packaged and a top album. Very chilled stuff. Can highly recommend!

Established the forum rule at the top of this thread.

Just thought I'd point out for any Sending Orbs fan unaware, Kettel has released 90 minutes worth of unreleased tracks for a generous name-your-own-price deal:
Kettel - Unreleased 2002​-​2012

Also since I deleted the thread, here's a reminder that Lorenzo Montana's new album being released on Psychonavigation, is available for pre-order at a nice price.
PSY066 Lorenzo Montanà - Eilatix

Ordered - and indeed a very nice price too.

Kracker
Also since I deleted the thread, here's a reminder that Lorenzo Montana's new album being released on Psychonavigation, is available for pre-order at a nice price.
PSY066 Lorenzo Montanà - Eilatix

Thanks for ing Lorenzo's album guys!

Finally - ordered, too!
But I came back to an error-page at the shop after paying via paypal.
Hope, it worked. ;)

I ordered, looks like it worked OK, got an order receipt with the CDs on it.

Hi guys.I'd like to inform everyone that we unfortunately will have to do CDR's instead of typical glassmaster cd's for all releases this year on our labels.These will be done at two professional companies in London.I am adamant to keep the quality of our product high even thou money is very tight in our label of late.We've had two done last year and theif flawless in sound and quality.We will always keep releasing on a CD format on our labels as this is imho the only way to listen to music properly ie on a CD system.CD prices will stay at €10.99 due to postage increases and that our releases are on Jewelcases so more expensive to post.If you are anti cdr for some reason maybe digital is the best option.We will have Lorenzo's album and all other releases available from the psychonavigation.bandcamp.com site. If someone who ordered Lorenzo's album recently wants a refund please mail us if you dont want to but are annoyed then a discount on your next Psychonavigation purchase can be arranged.Thanks guys.Keith

Ambient101
If you are anti cdr for some reason maybe digital is the best option.

Anti both actually :(

Just thinking here : In an ideal world I'd press say 300 glassmaster if we knew we could sell them all (get that amount of pre-orders) but figures like this are not achieveable I'm afraid to say.Maybe things will change sometime soon who knows...

Of course glassmaster is better, but I will take CDR over digital any day.

There's no way you're going near 300 sold out in preorders. That just never happens. And if you accomplished that then you made too few copies because now a lot people who slept through the pre-order stage or catch on to Montana's stuff later are SOL. Unlike a majority of Psychonavigation's roster, Montana is an established artist and the music is probably rock solid so I don't see why the lack in confidence in this release.

Ahem there's no lack of confidence in the album!! These days of selling 300 copies of an ambient/electronic album through a independent label are generally non existent.It really is a very tough job indeed. With under three months to go we have well under 100 pre-orders thus far so yep 300 is totally unobtainable and a glass master is not an option I'm afraid unless there's a miracle :) Praise the lord there will be!

I see labels (besides FAX) sell through 300 copies all the time these days, but for 'blockbuster' artists like Mick Chillage, Ishq, the latest bvdub sold out fast I was lucky to get a copy (they're repressing tho) And so you're saying that unless you're able to secure the sales of all 300 copies well before release date that would be wind up being a financial loss for that release, as opposed to what a label normally did, sell a huge chunk of the run right after the release date which pays for the CD order and the rest is sold in the coming years netting profit for the artist and label? And a lot people aren't going to pre-order months in advance because they're giving money now instead of when the CD ships and also because of paypal's moneyback limitation. It's why i didn't want to pre-order in the first place as well as the fact that i don't normally purchase from individual labels. I usually just purchase everything in one package from FAX, and other labels, from the US distributor (ear-rational) here to save shipping costs. but the price was nice so I was like what the hell. But the release has barely been up for pre-order a month and the release isn't until the beginning of summer and 300 copies of a hit artist already seems like a bad idea? Just curious and all

test.. problems here in Dublin.peace....

"It's why i didn't want to pre-order in the first place as well as the fact that i don't normally individually from individual label"

I really appreciate you told us all on this forum that you have no intention of ing individual artists or labels! Cheers for the :(

Sorry for my typos there. On a mobile phone here. Also sorry if me not buying my CDs individually and directly from your label and going through my US distributor shop (since I buy from many other labels as well not just yours) means I'm somehow not ing your label.

"I see labels (besides FAX) sell through 300 copies all the time these days"

Explain how you know this please kracker?? You work for these labels do you?

Maybe inside information eh :)

Did you ever think that a small label like ours has to give out free cd's so not all those 300 manufactured are sold?

You do realize that small labels like yours have these things called websites? They post information on their releases such as 'limited to 300' and 'sorry all sold out', you know, 'inside' information of that nature.

Ok look I asked some legitimate questions because i was curious and obviously you don't want to answer them so sorry for being a bother

Now come on Kracker please don't be a smart hole! We're all watching you!

Legitimate questions? Your kidding me aren't you? Maybe after you've run a record label for 13 years on the smallest budget ever and god willing you do your best to try and keep positive when little "Krackers" try to put you down then come back to me!!

http://ear-rational.com/index.php?period=week

Thanks to everyone who bought the album (especially Kracker ;0 )

Lorenzo's new album has arrived and I'm happy to say looks and sounds great :)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151260371701109.446049.588566108&type=1&l=41c096bbee

Who did the artwork? (Ho bo, more of my nosy questions..)

Jeroen Advocaat
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/Lorenzo-Montan%C3%A0-Eilatix/release/4308848

Cool artwork by Advocaat as usual, probably very good music, no doubt. It's a shame that it is CDr and why we have to wait till May, if you already got it in your office?

LOL!! because that's the release date :)

Excellent! It looked like his work. And yes it is a shame that such a quailty collectible has to be CDr.

Glad you like Kracker! Jeroen is such a talent.

We added the new Montana album to Bandcamp. Every pre-order of either the CD or will immediately receive the track 'Blue Stylidium' as a . Thanks to everyone who's ordered so far.Your is greatly appreciated. http://psychonavigation.bandcamp.com/album/lorenzo-montan-eilatix

This new ambient album from someone known more for his Detroit / Tech-House tracks definately has a FAX feel to it, Check it out:

Vincent I. Watson* - Serene

Kracker your email bounced back.Everyone else who pre-ordered Lorenzo's album should have received an exclusive advance track as an Mp3 in their inbox.Thanks

Krap, I hope it isn't because of my provider's stupid spam filter. If it's a track off the album, that's alright. I can wait until the album arrives. Did you actually send the mp3 IN the email or post a temporary link to the mp3?

Yes it was attached in the email.Not to worry.

Play nice, guys. We're all on the same team here. Most of us are the few remaining physical CD buyers out there. So, labels: don't diss your customers, they are always right! Buyers: the labels!

I see nothing wrong at all with buying through retail or distribution (i.e. Ear/Rational). If a label is somehow not making enough off of distribution sales, they need to rethink their distribution network! Personally, I hate buying from labels as it's too much to keep track of, and individual shipping costs are too high, seeing as how I buy around a thousand CDs a year.

Also: CD-Rs == icky. There's not as much collectibility value in CD-Rs and their shelf-life is waaaay lower than pressed CDs. All those CD-Rs will be junk in 10 years. Of course, like already said, CD-Rs are better than digital. I've never bought a digital release in my life. Call me old-skool.

I agree with you, Trevor. I much prefer buying from retailers, either online (NO AMAZON!), but preferably bricks & mortar, though that is a diminishing option. For the first time in 20 years, a major record store will open in NYC, actually Brooklyn, in June. That's 10,000 square foot Rough Trade store. Can't wait for that. For me it's CDs-good, records-good, cassettes-good, CDRs-just OK and digitial-no thanks.