Help Please...Idiots Guide Needed!!

So i wanted to add a different version of a record. I read the guidelines but they didn't make much sense to me. It said to Edit Master Release but there wasn't a Master Release.

So in my non computer brain I just added another copy of the record assuming Discogs would recognise it and lump it with the other copies.

This hasn't happened and it now stands alone from the other five versions.

Is there a simple way out of this for me, to get it with the other five versions.

I read about merging but it seems that overwrites the version you are trying to merge with

Any help greatly appreciated.

Here's my advice to new contributors, with links embedded in the text.

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Resources
There are some resources to help you learn how things should be done in Discogs, so it's not so baffling. If you haven't already done so, read the Submission Help forum, where people will be able to take more time to help you through the process.

Saving a draft
For your first submission, it's a good idea to create a draft submission and let people look at it, so they can help you to correct it before you actually submit it 'live' to the database. To do this, once you've done what you can in the edit form, go to the bottom of the page and click 'Save Draft' rather than 'Preview / Submit'. Then go to Submission Help forum, where people will be able to take more time to help you through the process.

Copy to draft
If you are submitting a new version of something already in the database, there's a very handy 'copy to draft' function that can save a lot of time and avoid errors being introduced. Simply find the version that most closely matches your copy or is most complete, and 'copy to draft'. You'll then need to go through the draft line by line, checking every piece of data against your copy and changing or removing anything that doesn't match exactly, but it can still save a lot of work. Read this article on how to copy a release to draft for more information.

Taking images
The only images that are allowed are photos or scans taken of the physical copy in your possession. It's not allowed to images found on the web or elsewhere. If you could take some photos or scans of your copy to replace the small image, that would be great. Please take the artwork/media out of any packaging (jewel case, shrink-wrap, etc) so that the images are as clear as possible. The best procedure is to take photos of the front and back of the cover, each of the disc labels and each page of the booklet (if there is one). Take them from front-on (not at an angle) in good light – preferably in daylight but without the sun shining on the object. Then rotate them if necessary to make them 'horizontal' and crop them to the edges of the box/booklet and the edges of the disc labels – seeing the whole disc surface is of no use. Your computer or smart-phone will have inbuilt editing software that will allow you to crop the images, and most also allow you to rotate them. Please make sure they are at least 600 pixels wide (the maximum display width) so that text is as legible as possible.

Master release
Once you've submitted the new versions, there's a simple way to add them to a master release (or create a master release if there was only a single version in the database beforehand). To add your version to an existing master release, click on the release's title on the artist page (where it says 'n versions' below it); then click 'Edit Master Release' to get to the history page, and 'Edit Master Release' again to get to the edit page; add your version to the bottom of the list of versions and save. If there is not yet a master release, Various; in that case, click on one of the artists in the track listing and edit or create the master release from there.

Don't forget the Submission Help forum if you need any help.

Hope that helps, and good luck!

There's a number of errors in Richard Tauber - Vienna, City Of My Dreams / You Are My Heart's Delight, which is unsurprising if you didn't understand the guidelines. I'll be happy to help you to correct them when I return home in a few hours, or others might help you in the meantime. But see if you can work out some of them from the advice and links I posted above.

andrenafulva
There's a number of errors in Richard Tauber - Vienna, City Of My Dreams / You Are My Heart's Delight, which is unsurprising if you didn't understand the guidelines. I'll be happy to help you to correct them when I return home in a few hours, or others might help you in the meantime. But see if you can work out some of them from the advice and links I posted above.

Thank you Andre. That is the one that is already on the database and should be with the other five versions. I will read through all that you have posted but will happily take your help re the two I have submitted that I have been notified have errors. Fortunately or unfortunately I am from the vinyl age, not the computer age and I always feel that people who write computer guides do so in a language I don't understand! I have many thousands of 45's and LP's up in the attic so would like to get the process right before I start on them.

Hi there,
No problem, I'll be happy to help where I can. I see someone has commented on your two submissions already, but in a form that might not make much sense to someone who's completely new to this site.

The main principle is that we enter things as close as possible to how they are presented on the release (including errors such as typos in artist names or track titles), with some important exceptions.

First of these is that titles must always be entered with The First Letter Of Every Single Word Capitalised, no matter how they are presented on the release (RSG §1.2.1). You have done this on your two submissions, except for the track 1 title of the André Kostelanetz release. The same applies to artist names except when there is evidence that the artist consistently and intentionally uses non-standard capitalisation. There are exceptions to the rule for non-words, which are listed in RSG §1.2.2 and following clauses.

If an artist name is presented in a different form (or with a typo) from how the name is stored in the database (which we call the 'primary artist name' or PAN), we use a feature called 'artist name variation' (ANV). This is explained in brief in the Quick Start Guide in the 'artist' section: https://.discogs.mejorespelis.org/hc/en-us/articles/360004051893-Quick-Start-Guide-For-New-Contributors#4

The guidelines concerning use of ANVs are found at RSG §2.5.

If, for instance, the artist were presented on your release as 'André Kostelanetz & His Orchestra', you would use the PAN André Kostelanetz And His Orchestra.

On to specifics of your two submissions:

Applied to both submissions:
– You've used the Vinyl format, but these two are shellac discs (unless they are flexible). Click the Vinyl label and select Shellac from the drop-down. You will then have to add the tags you have select once again.
– It has been decided that the term 'single' relates to its use in promoting particular tracks on a disc for the 'singles' charts, which started around the time of the transition to vinyl records. As a result, we don't use the Single tag for Shellac discs. Likewise, we don't use the Mono tag for Shellac discs as there are no stereo shellacs.
– On two-sided media such as records, the track positions must record which side of the disc each track is on ([12.2.3]. If you're entering an album, use A1, A2, A3, ... B1, B2, B3, ... As there is only a single track on each side here, use A and B with no trailing numbers ([12.2.5]).

André Kostelanetz And His Orchestra - Vienna City Of My Dreams / Two Hearts In Three Quarter Time
– There should be a comma in 'Vienna, City Of My Dreams', and a hyphen in 'Three-Quarter Time', in the release and track titles.
– The label is Columbia Graphophone Company Ltd. as Record Company on a new line – click the 'Label' button and a drop-down list of roles will appear.
– The catalogue number is D.X. 1571 – it's important to include the full stops if present.
– Please change the label for the side B matrix number from Barcode to Matrix / Runout, and capitalise the O in XCO. Also, as far as I can see from the images, the matrix numbers are XCO 39594 for side A (Vienna, City Of My Dreams) and XCO 39597 for side B (Two Hearts In Three-Quarter Time). Pease check this. Also, it would be useful to add descriptions to each of this; to do this, click the 'Add Description' button next to each field, and enter 'Label side A' (or B) in the field that appears. If you want to enter the text in the runout area on each side of the disc, you can do this using the Matrix / Runout label again and 'Runout side A' (or B) in the description field.
– Are these really classical pieces? I imagine they are light music, but I haven't heard it so can't comment. If you've no means of listening to it then leave it as is, as other recordings of this piece by Richard Tauber - Vienna, City Of My Dreams / You Are My Heart's Delight
– Single, Mono and track positions as above.
– It looks as though you have transposed the matrix numbers for side A (Vienna, City Of My Dreams) and side B (You Are My Heart's Delight). If these are the numbers in the runout areas, please add the descriptions 'Runout side A' (or B).

If you'd like to go through adding further information, such as writing credits and publishers, we can certainly do that.

One thing that would be really useful would be to better photos. It looks as though you're taking photos with your phone. Any phone's image software should have built-in editing facilities on which you should be able to do all the things in the 'Taking images' section of my first reply. Please try to make sure that your images are at least 600 pixels wide when cropped, as that is the maximum display size, and makes text a lot easier to read. If your phone really can't take a photo more than 338 pixels wide, then get as close into the label as possible so that cropping doesn't make it much smaller. Check your phone's setting as it might have 'small' and 'high-res' image settings, meaning you will be able to take larger and more detailed images.

Someone has added André Kostelanetz And His Orchestra - Vienna City Of My Dreams / Two Hearts In Three Quarter Time to the relevant master release using the method I described in my advice.

Hope that helps – let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks for all your help but I just keep getting one message after another stating I have done this that and the other wrong. I will attempt to put right the errors on the two in question and then probably quit. I have circa 15,000 records to list and sell. If it has taken me this long to do half a dozen then I can't see me be able to list all those. It is just far too complicated for me. It was far easier back in the day when you took your box of records to a Northern Soul night and people looked through your box and you bought and sold there and then.
Once again thanks for your patience and help.

chislenko
I just keep getting one message after another stating I have done this that and the other wrong. I will attempt to put right the errors on the two in question and then probably quit.

That of course is your decision, but perhaps you should be a little more patient with yourself.
First of all, try to follow the advice given to you in your submissions and correct the mistakes. If anything isn't clear enough, ask here for further help.
If you want to continue participating in the expansion of the database, you should read the complete guidelines, not all at once, but bit by bit. For sure this is some work to do, but they help a lot.

chislenko
I have circa 15,000 records to list and sell. If it has taken me this long to do half a dozen then I can't see me be able to list all those.

Many of your 15k records possibly are listed already in the database, so I guess it's much more selling than listing... ;o)

Right, the Richard Tauber one seems to be sorted. The Andre Kostelanetz and his Orchestra i tried to remove but a called "donjorge" has said no and now has sent some other messages. I notice that "donjorge" has been on this site a long time. Perhaps "donjorge" could be more proactive in sharing his / her experience rather than just barking oprders at someone who is quite clearly struggling to comprehend the way the system works.

chislenko
The Andre Kostelanetz and his Orchestra i tried to remove but a called "donjorge" has said no and now has sent some other messages.

That's a simple thing to resolve: as donjorge said, we don't remove duplicate submissions from the database; rather, they should be merged with the other submission for the same version. The reasons for this include because if anyone has added the release to their 'collection' or is selling a copy, that will be transferred to the other submission for the release rather than being removed from the 'collection' or sales inventory.

Once one more person has voted 'no' on the removal request it will expire, and then you or someone else can propose a merge instead. You'll need to locate the release number of the submission with which to merge your submission (this is in the URL and at the top right of the release page and history page – yours is 34126372).

chislenko
Right, the Richard Tauber one seems to be sorted.

That one does indeed look correct. There's just one thing: on checking the other versions to see how the layout differs on your copy, I noticed that the matrix numbers in the runouts have been entered as CE 7055 / 7136 rather than OE, as in your submission. Would you mind checking your copy again, as I think it must be CE in your runouts. With that confirmed/corrected, I'll vote correct on your submission, which hopefully will be a bit of encouragement to keep going.

Yes, it is indeed CE, my bad eyesight!! Have logged out of the pc now so will correct later. The difference in the copy I have is that the wording "Sung In English" is in a different place to the pictures of the other versions.

chislenko
than just barking oprders at someone

How is this "barking orders"?:
- "Is this vinyl or Shellac?"
- "Duplicates get merged, not removed "

One was a honest question, the other the reason why I voted No - no orders, no barking.

donjorge perhaps your comments were a little terse in the circumstances. I try to give a little explanation and encouragement for someone who's new and struggling with how things work.

andrenafulva
perhaps your comments were a little terse in the circumstances

That may very well be - but still far away from barking orders.
BTW: I really ire your ability to explain things. Thanks for that.

Andre.

I have amended the Richard Tauber run out letters now, so hopefully that should now be ok. My next question and i thought i would ask first so as not to amend later! How unique is unique when it comes to records. I am looking at r12543008. The lister has the run out as CAR 5744 and CAR 5745. On my copy it has CAR 5744-1 and CAR 5745-1. Is it classed as the same record or does it need an entry of it's own?
Thanks in advance

chislenko
r12543008

If you put this inside square brackets, the forum will automatically turn it into an easy-click link: Grand Massed Brass Bands - Communityland

With this case, the matrix/runout BaOI data is indeterminate as to whether it's a runout or matrix. If it's supposed to be the runout, then it's entirely conceivable that the data is incomplete, that your copy is the same as the one used to submit that entry, and that the OS (original submitter) did not fully enter the runout.

If the BaOI is supposed to be a matrix (the code printed on the label) then it's missing the dot between 'CAR' and '5744' / '5745'.

In this case, assuming all the print on the labels match your copy, I'd update the BaOI for that release to exactly record both the matrix and runout separately, using "Matrix, Side A", "Runout, Side A", etc. as the descriptions. Hope that makes sense.

xceque
chislenkor12543008
If you put this inside square brackets, the forum will automatically turn it into an easy-click link: Grand Massed Brass Bands - Communityland

With this case, the matrix/runout BaOI data is indeterminate as to whether it's a runout or matrix. If it's supposed to be the runout, then it's entirely conceivable that the data is incomplete, that your copy is the same as the one used to submit that entry, and that the OS (original submitter) did not fully enter the runout.

If the BaOI is supposed to be a matrix (the code printed on the label) then it's missing the dot between 'CAR' and '5744' / '5745'.

In this case, assuming all the print on the labels match your copy, I'd update the BaOI for that release to exactly record both the matrix and runout separately, using "Matrix, Side A", "Runout, Side A", etc. as the descriptions. Hope that makes sense.

Thank you, I am on the turbo trainer for the next hour so will have a go at it after. Must it I didn't see the dot after CAR!

donjorge
still far away from barking orders.

Oh indeed, that's certainly true.

Thanks for the kind words.

chislenko
r12543008. The lister has the run out as CAR 5744 and CAR 5745.

As xceque says, these are most likely the matrices on the labels, not in the runouts. I agree with them; correct these by replacing the space with a full stop and add descriptions 'Label side A' (or B) and add the runouts from your copy separately. Assuming of course that the layout of the text on the labels is the same as your copy!

chislenko
I have amended the Richard Tauber run out letters now, so hopefully that should now be ok.

Thanks; I've voted it correct. I've also added some information to complete it.

andrenafulva
chislenkor12543008. The lister has the run out as CAR 5744 and CAR 5745.
As xceque says, these are most likely the matrices on the labels, not in the runouts. I agree with them; correct these by replacing the space with a full stop and add descriptions 'Label side A' (or B) and add the runouts from your copy separately. Assuming of course that the layout of the text on the labels is the same as your copy!

Amended. Getting the hang of things now 🙂

chislenko
Amended.

You need to add a description to each of those matrix/runout lines to show which is matrix, which is runout, which is side A, and which is side B.

ie,

Matrix / Runout: CAR.5744 (Matrix, Side A)
Matrix / Runout: CAR.5745 (Matrix, Side B)
Matrix / Runout: CAR 5744-1 (Runout, Side A)
Matrix / Runout: CAR 5745-1 (Runout, Side B)

xceque
chislenkoAmended.
You need to add a description to each of those matrix/runout lines to show which is matrix, which is runout, which is side A, and which is side B.

ie,
Matrix / Runout: CAR.5744 (Matrix, Side A)
Matrix / Runout: CAR.5745 (Matrix, Side B)
Matrix / Runout: CAR 5744-1 (Runout, Side A)
Matrix / Runout: CAR 5745-1 (Runout, Side B)

Cheers, done that. If you could look at (r15489885) the run out has a typo @A instead of CA. Do I just amend that or send a message to the original lister? Also my copy doesn't have the H at the end of the matrix, do I still add mine to that release? Thanks in advance

chislenko
(r15489885)

*ahem* square brackets: [ ]
:)

Charles Kullman - Come Back To Sorrento / Serenade

For this one, I'd say that the @ is most likely actually a C, however I can't say for certain. Considering that the submission history shows the OS making, and correcting two typos previously, and there is still an incorrect spelling of "spindle", it doesn't seem too far a stretch to say that @ is also incorrect. An odd typo, though - probably it looked like "@" to them. Hard to type @ when you're aiming for C.

Someone with greater experience with shellac-era releases may be able to say more assuredly.

If it's an error, you can just fix it. There's no etiquette that requires you to inform the original submitter. If they want to know about it, they will have their notification settings set accordingly.

If you want to ask them to confirm, you could always ping them in this thread (by typing their name prefixed by an @ symbol), or just edit it and leave a submission note to say that you're happy for it to be changed back if the original submitter checks their copy and confirms it to be definitely an @ symbol.

I have plenty of old shellac records and many have scratches on the vinyl that often makes lightly stamped runouts look like something else.

chislenko
(r15489885

If you click on the release number at the top of a release page, it will copy the entire code, including the square brackets, into your clipboard so you can paste it into a message without any typing. (This should also work on the history page, but doesn't always.)

xceque
chislenko(r15489885)
*ahem* square brackets: [ ]
:)

Charles Kullman - Come Back To Sorrento / Serenade

For this one, I'd say that the @ is most likely actually a C, however I can't say for certain. Considering that the submission history shows the OS making, and correcting two typos previously, and there is still an incorrect spelling of "spindle", it doesn't seem too far a stretch to say that @ is also incorrect. An odd typo, though - probably it looked like "@" to them. Hard to type @ when you're aiming for C.

Someone with greater experience with shellac-era releases may be able to say more assuredly.

If it's an error, you can just fix it. There's no etiquette that requires you to inform the original submitter. If they want to know about it, they will have their notification settings set accordingly.

If you want to ask them to confirm, you could always ping them in this thread (by typing their name prefixed by an @ symbol), or just edit it and leave a submission note to say that you're happy for it to be changed back if the original submitter checks their copy and confirms it to be definitely an @ symbol.

I have plenty of old shellac records and many have scratches on the vinyl that often makes lightly stamped runouts look like something else.

Thank you, what should I do regarding my copy not having the H at the end of the runout. Should I just add it to the existing copy or does not having the H render it a different version? Sorry for the abundance of questions, just want to get it right.

chislenko
Should I just add it to the existing copy or does not having the H render it a different version? Sorry for the abundance of questions, just want to get it right.

If only the runout is different, and it's only this small difference, then that version will be yours, and yours will be a "variant". You often see these listed in the BaOI section. However it's worth checking all around the runout area as the H (or another letter) may be separated by some distance (as much as 180 degrees). Discogs (rules) doesn't allow any more than a single space between characters in the the runout fields, so what looks like a close-packed group of symbols on the screen, might be quite widely separated on the actual record.

If you have another letter in the runout other than an 'H', then yours is definitely a variant. Again, assuming all other details match.

In the case of a variant, you just add another group of Matrix/Runout lines to the BaOI section. If there is only one before yours, you'll have to modify the existing one to include "Variant 1" as part of the description fields, and then label your set of runouts as "Variant 2".

You are under no obligation to add a variant to the data on the Release if you don't want to. Personally, I find them of only minor use, and it clutters up the page. I'm hope that discogs developers will formalise their inclusion in the database at some point in the future so they can be collapsed out of immediate sight.

Hey, I can dream, right?

xceque
chislenkoShould I just add it to the existing copy or does not having the H render it a different version? Sorry for the abundance of questions, just want to get it right.
If only the runout is different, and it's only this small difference, then that version will be yours, and yours will be a "variant". You often see these listed in the BaOI section. However it's worth checking all around the runout area as the H (or another letter) may be separated by some distance (as much as 180 degrees). Discogs (rules) doesn't allow any more than a single space between characters in the the runout fields, so what looks like a close-packed group of symbols on the screen, might be quite widely separated on the actual record.

If you have another letter in the runout other than an 'H', then yours is definitely a variant. Again, assuming all other details match.

In the case of a variant, you just add another group of Matrix/Runout lines to the BaOI section. If there is only one before yours, you'll have to modify the existing one to include "Variant 1" as part of the description fields, and then label your set of runouts as "Variant 2".

You are under no obligation to add a variant to the data on the Release if you don't want to. Personally, I find them of only minor use, and it clutters up the page. I'm hope that discogs developers will formalise their inclusion in the database at some point in the future so they can be collapsed out of immediate sight.

Hey, I can dream, right?

Thank you, I will leave well alone for the sake of an H. Mine actually has GD stamped into the vinyl someway from the actual number. I can't imagine people will be trampling over each other to get hold of a copy anyway whether it has a H or a GD!

chislenko
what should I do regarding my copy not having the H at the end of the runout.

H is probably a stamper code. Keep in mind that a stamper code might be quite separated from the matrix number, possibly at 90° or 180° from it, and it might be quite faint.

As said above, you can add your runouts as a variant (append 'variant 1' to the descriptions of the existing runouts, and 'variant 2' to the descriptions of the runouts you enter). But you can leave it as is if you prefer.

Hello again, i think I have made another error. I followed the how to add to the master release notes to the letter and my version has still managed to end up stand alone. I was trying to add Jimmy Shand And His Band - The Duke And Duchess Of Edinburgh / Scottish Waltz but it is showing on it's own away from the other versions. I followed this and still got it wrong!! "Once you've submitted the new versions, there's a simple way to add them to a master release (or create a master release if there was only a single version in the database beforehand). To add your version to an existing master release, click on the release's title on the artist page (where it says 'n versions' below it); then click 'Edit Master Release' to get to the history page, and 'Edit Master Release' again to get to the edit page; add your version to the bottom of the list of versions and save. "

I was about to say that it looks fine, but looks like donjorge has just done it for you!

xceque
Matrix / Runout: CAR.5744 (Matrix, Side A)
Matrix / Runout: CAR.5745 (Matrix, Side B)

Surely, the convention would be "Label side X" rather than "Matrix side X"? The matrix number can be in both locations, but the runout can't be on the label, so... 'Runout' or 'Label', right?

poorlonesomecowboy
Surely, the convention would be "Label side X" rather than "Matrix side X"? The matrix number can be in both locations, but the runout can't be on the label, so... 'Runout' or 'Label', right?

You may be right. I don't know if there is any particular convention for it. I'd presume that a runout is a runout and that, even if the runout has a matrix it's still entirely a runout.

xceque
I was about to say that it looks fine, but looks like donjorge has just done it for you!

Thank you to donjorge for correcting my error. Can you tell me where I went wrong please.

andrenafulva
donjorge perhaps your comments were a little terse in the circumstances. I try to give a little explanation and encouragement for someone who's new and struggling with how things work.

When I give people full sentences, or even short paragraphs, including links, I get people complaining that it's too much to read. Like I'm spouting pages of legalese. So there's no way to win.

chislenko
Can you tell me where I went wrong please.

I don't know - maybe you forgot to press the button "Save Changes"

JT_X
So there's no way to win.

He he! Ain't that the truth?

xceque
You may be right. I don't know if there is any particular convention for it. I'd presume that a runout is a runout and that, even if the runout has a matrix it's still entirely a runout.

Right - so descriptions can be of 'type' and 'location' (and 'other significant things'). My point was that 'Matrix' is 'type' - but not location, so saying 'Matrix side X' is ambiguous, while 'Label side X' is not (as the label of the field is Matrix/Runout and it can only be the first if it's on the label).

(also knows as an incredibly convoluted way of saying something quite simple :-))

poorlonesomecowboy
Right - so descriptions can be of 'type' and 'location' (and 'other significant things'). My point was that 'Matrix' is 'type' - but not location, so saying 'Matrix side X' is ambiguous, while 'Label side X' is not (as the label of the field is Matrix/Runout and it can only be the first if it's on the label).

A good point. Although, if I was spoiling for a rumble I'd argue that "runout" isn't a location either :)

The upshot of what I had tried to say was that if you see "Matrix" in the BaOI you're not going to think it's the runout - it'd have said "Runout". Whilst I don't think using "Matrix" would be confusing, you're right that saying "Label" is more precise, and I think I'll do it that way in future*.

*assuming I when I next have one to enter!

xceque
A good point. Although, if I was spoiling for a rumble I'd argue that "runout" isn't a location either :)

No, but there's really only one place where "Runout (Information)" can be and that's in the dead wax, so in a sense location is implied.

I've always felt "Matrix/Runout - Label" to be short for "Matrix number on the label" (as it can't be runout info on the label.)
If this were to be followed by "Matrix/Runout - Dead wax" it would make sense, but sometimes the Runout info is in fact only the Matrix number and nothing more, which could mess it up a bit... (or does this make it more true? :-))

Great exchange (and probably the 'dicoggiest' you'll find today) - thanks!

I'm back, feel like James Brown!, So little more advice please. I have created a draft Kenneth McKellar - My Ain Folk / My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose (My copy is slightly different. Yesterday when i did this i added to a master release. However for this song there is no master release. Do i just add it to the one release that is there

chislenko
Yesterday when i did this i added to a master release. However for this song there is no master release.

The process is almost the same: above the list of releases on the artist page to teh right of the Discography / Reviews / Videos / Lists tabs is a little icon, a pencil on paper. Click that and select 'Create Master Release' (open this in a new tab if you can so you can find the two versions, or have both versions open in separate tabs). Then add both versions to the master release form, with one of them additionally entered in the Key Release field – the most representative of that release as a whole, if any is; otherwise, the one with more data and better images.

Click Preview and then Save to create the master.

You will of course have to submit your draft release first.

By the way, don't forget the 'copy to draft' feature that I explained in the advice in my first reply. You could have copied to draft from the existing version, simply changed anything that didn't match your copy exactly (e.g. the runouts) and photos of your copy, and it would have saved you some work and your submission would be as complete as the existing one, with all the publishers and credits in place.

Thanks andrenafulva. I had indeed forgotten about the copy to draft function. But no worries as when I have added this one and followed your advice about Create Master Release I have another of these pesky 78's that is different to the five versions already on Discogs so will use the copy to draft on that one. The 78's are just something we found in my wife's parents house when we cleared it so hopefully get all my mistakes out of the way before I start on my own vinyl.

andrenafulva
chislenkoYesterday when i did this i added to a master release. However for this song there is no master release.
The process is almost the same: above the list of releases on the artist page to teh right of the Discography / Reviews / Videos / Lists tabs is a little icon, a pencil on paper. Click that and select 'Create Master Release' (open this in a new tab if you can so you can find the two versions, or have both versions open in separate tabs). Then add both versions to the master release form, with one of them additionally entered in the Key Release field – the most representative of that release as a whole, if any is; otherwise, the one with more data and better images.

Click Preview and then Save to create the master.

You will of course have to submit your draft release first.

Morning, i have no clue as to what i am doing wrong. I have followed the Create Master Release that you talked me through the other day and i am still getting an error message. I have submitted my copy of this record [34165768] and am trying to create [2975322] as the master and add mine to it. I have put (numbers only as it tells me) 2975322 in th Key release, then put 34165768 in the Relaeses section, but every time i preview i get the following message. "Please enter at least one release ID to add to the Key Release ID. I reallt don't know what i am doing wrong!!

chislenko
I have put (numbers only as it tells me) 2975322 in th Key release, then put 34165768 in the Relaeses section, but every time i preview i get the following message. "Please enter at least one release ID to add to the Key Release ID.

You need both Release numbers in the list of release IDs, and one of them (the one for the Release that you think best represents all versions) as the key release ID.

xceque
chislenkoI have put (numbers only as it tells me) 2975322 in th Key release, then put 34165768 in the Relaeses section, but every time i preview i get the following message. "Please enter at least one release ID to add to the Key Release ID.
You need both Release numbers in the list of release IDs, and one of them (the one for the Release that you think best represents all versions) as the key release ID.

Cheers, I will go back and give it another go!

I think success has arrived at my doorstep!! I added the two to releases as per your instructions and it told me there was already a master. So i have added mine [Invalid Release] to the original master Kenneth McKellar - My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose and it jolly well lokks like it has worked!!

chislenko
I think success has arrived at my doorstep!! I added the two to releases as per your instructions and it told me there was already a master. So i have added mine [Invalid Release] to the original master Kenneth McKellar - My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose and it jolly well lokks like it has worked!

Yes, I'd just checked (I hadn't checked when I posted just before - I'd just woken up :D) but I saw there's already a Master, which you seem to have added your release to now
Kenneth McKellar - My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose
So, success!

xceque
chislenkoI think success has arrived at my doorstep!! I added the two to releases as per your instructions and it told me there was already a master. So i have added mine [Invalid Release] to the original master Kenneth McKellar - My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose and it jolly well lokks like it has worked!
Yes, I'd just checked (I hadn't checked when I posted just before - I'd just woken up :D) but I saw there's already a Master, which you seem to have added your release to now
My Ain Folk / My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose added to Kenneth McKellar - My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose
So, success!

If it wasn't pouring with rain I would do a lap of honour around the block 😊

So, next. I have just created another different version of yet another 78 and i notice that one of the submissions in the list has the song title wrong. Master is Marian Anderson With Orchestral Accomp. Conducted By Lawrance Collingwood - Love, Come To My Aid / Softly Awakes My Heart despite having the correct title on the picture of the record has the wrong title in the listing. Should i correct this?

chislenko
i notice that one of the submissions in the list has the song title wrong. ... Should i correct this?

Yes, definitely. Don't be afraid to correct anything you can confirm is incorrect, on any submission. No one 'owns' a submission, so anyone is free and welcome to correct anything they spot.

I've corrected this one for you – I couldn't resist. Thanks for pointing it out.

Thank you.

andrenafulva
chislenkoi notice that one of the submissions in the list has the song title wrong. ... Should i correct this?
Yes, definitely. Don't be afraid to correct anything you can confirm is incorrect, on any submission. No one 'owns' a submission, so anyone is free and welcome to correct anything they spot.

I've corrected this one for you – I couldn't resist. Thanks for pointing it out.

Cheers, well today appears to have been a breakthrough day. Created some new versions of existing records, via the copy to draft method, and added them to the master releases. Things are going in the right direction and i have finished the 78's!

One piece of advice I'd like to along.

When you enter the runout information, next to the "Matrix/Runout" button is a "Add Description" button. In the description field, you would put "Side A Runout" and the "Matrix/Runout" filed would contain only the "wco 28031A" part.

There is a whole thread of guidance and information on runout text strings found here: https://discogs.mejorespelis.org/group/thread/809508

meteor3
One piece of advice I'd like to along.

When you enter the runout information, next to the "Matrix/Runout" button is a "Add Description" button. In the description field, you would put "Side A Runout" and the "Matrix/Runout" filed would contain only the "wco 28031A" part.

There is a whole thread of guidance and information on runout text strings found here: https://discogs.mejorespelis.org/group/thread/809508

Thanks, I shall that for next time.

chislenko
Thanks, I shall that for next time.

I don't want to bring down your high spirits, but you should also fix Kenneth McKellar - My Ain Folk / My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose for this time!

You have, in the BaOI, "Label Code" entries which should be "Matrix/Runout", and you have text that should be in the Description part in the data part, and the text is insufficient for a description!

What is
Label Code: Side A DRX.20712
should be
Matrix/Runout (Label, Side A): DRX.20712
where "(Label, Side A)" is "Label, Side A" entered into the description part, and "DRX.20712" only in the data part.

(A "Label Code" is something else entirely - you'll typically find them in a printed box on a sleeve or inlay prefixed with "LC")

Similarly your existing Matrix/Runout fields should have (eg) "Runout, Side A" in the description for those, and not in the data part.

xceque
chislenkoThanks, I shall that for next time.
I don't want to bring down your high spirits, but you should also fix Kenneth McKellar - My Ain Folk / My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose for this time!

You have, in the BaOI, "Label Code" entries which should be "Matrix/Runout", and you have text that should be in the Description part in the data part, and the text is insufficient for a description!

What is
Label Code: Side A DRX.20712
should be
Matrix/Runout (Label, Side A): DRX.20712
where "(Label, Side A)" is "Label, Side A" entered into the description part, and "DRX.20712" only in the data part.

(A "Label Code" is something else entirely - you'll typically find them in a printed box on a sleeve or inlay prefixed with "LC")

Similarly your existing Matrix/Runout fields should have (eg) "Runout, Side A" in the description for those, and not in the data part.

Cheers, will sort

xceque
chislenkoThanks, I shall that for next time.
I don't want to bring down your high spirits, but you should also fix Kenneth McKellar - My Ain Folk / My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose for this time!

You have, in the BaOI, "Label Code" entries which should be "Matrix/Runout", and you have text that should be in the Description part in the data part, and the text is insufficient for a description!

What is
Label Code: Side A DRX.20712
should be
Matrix/Runout (Label, Side A): DRX.20712
where "(Label, Side A)" is "Label, Side A" entered into the description part, and "DRX.20712" only in the data part.

(A "Label Code" is something else entirely - you'll typically find them in a printed box on a sleeve or inlay prefixed with "LC")

Similarly your existing Matrix/Runout fields should have (eg) "Runout, Side A" in the description for those, and not in the data part.

Hi there, I have done Kenneth Mckeller one now, however i just went in to fix this one Nelson Eddy - Softly, As In A Morning Sunrise / Lover Come Back To Me and somebody has been in and moved the side a /b etc to the description field but left it as Label. Should that say matrix?

chislenko
somebody has been in and moved the side a /b etc to the description field but left it as Label. Should that say matrix?

No, because the description shows where the matrix number appears: either on the label or in the runout area.

andrenafulva
chislenkosomebody has been in and moved the side a /b etc to the description field but left it as Label. Should that say matrix?
No, because the description shows where the matrix number appears: either on the label or in the runout area.

Thank you

chislenko
to fix this one Nelson Eddy - Softly, As In A Morning Sunrise / Lover Come Back To Me and somebody has been in and moved the side a /b etc to the description field but left it as Label. Should that say matrix?

There was an exchange between myself and poorlonesomecowboy further up this thread about whether to use "Matrix" or "Label" in the description for the BaOI line of Matrix/Runout when the matrix code appears on the record's centre label.
The conclusion I drew was that either is ok, although poorlonesomecowboy's assertion that "Label" is more precise is a valid one and makes it better to use that.

I wouldn't make an edit just to change "Matrix" to "Label" in those situations, though. That's likely to be considered a 'preference edit' (a big no-no for database edits), since there's no formal definition of how you're supposed to format these types of BaOI description.

Separately, regarding Kenneth McKellar - My Ain Folk / My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose, I see that the final BaOI line of "Price Code" has been used for Tax Code - I didn't spot it before amongst the overgrowth of other BaOI issues, but I think that Tax Code should go under an "Other" in that section. A price code is not the same thing as a tax code, as far as I'm aware. In any case, similar to the Matrix/Runout, the text "Tax Code" should go as the description field for that line, not in the data. So it should read "Other (Tax Code): RT".

xceque
chislenkoto fix this one Nelson Eddy - Softly, As In A Morning Sunrise / Lover Come Back To Me and somebody has been in and moved the side a /b etc to the description field but left it as Label. Should that say matrix?
There was an exchange between myself and poorlonesomecowboy further up this thread about whether to use "Matrix" or "Label" in the description for the BaOI line of Matrix/Runout when the matrix code appears on the record's centre label.
The conclusion I drew was that either is ok, although poorlonesomecowboy's assertion that "Label" is more precise is a valid one and makes it better to use that.

I wouldn't make an edit just to change "Matrix" to "Label" in those situations, though. That's likely to be considered a 'preference edit' (a big no-no for database edits), since there's no formal definition of how you're supposed to format these types of BaOI description.

Separately, regarding Kenneth McKellar - My Ain Folk / My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose, I see that the final BaOI line of "Price Code" has been used for Tax Code - I didn't spot it before amongst the overgrowth of other BaOI issues, but I think that Tax Code should go under an "Other" in that section. A price code is not the same thing as a tax code, as far as I'm aware. In any case, similar to the Matrix/Runout, the text "Tax Code" should go as the description field for that line, not in the data. So it should read "Other (Tax Code): RT".

Thanks again, will look at the tax code on that tomorrow.

Ok, thought i was doing ok but it's gone Pete Tong again. So we have [2415873]. I have created a new submission [34203199] as yet again the label is different on the one i have. So neither are a master to link each other to. So the last time i did this I put the artists name in and found the the little pen to create a master and then add mine to it. Because this is a Various Artists Compilation i can't get to the page with the pen icon. Any suggestion please?

chislenko
[2415873]
[34203199]

If you want to post a link to a release, click the code in the top-right hand corner of the release page to copy it and then paste it in here. No need to do anything manual.

If you want to do it manually, the correct formats to do it successfully are listed here.

chislenko
So the last time i did this I put the artists name in and found the the little pen to create a master and then add mine to it. Because this is a Various Artists Compilation i can't get to the page with the pen icon. Any suggestion please?

Yup – just click on the name of any of the artists in the link and then work from there.

Alternatively, you can do it manually by going to the URL for the 'create master' page. It's in your browser history so, depending on what browser you use, you should find it by starting to type 'create' into the URL bar. If notm here it is: https://discogs.mejorespelis.org/master/create

chislenko
Because this is a Various Artists Compilation i can't get to the page with the pen icon

http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/master/create
This link is in the guidelines for Master. Unhelpful place to have to go, I know, but we are where we are.

xceque
chislenkoBecause this is a Various Artists Compilation i can't get to the page with the pen icon
http://discogs.mejorespelis.org/master/create
This link is in the guidelines for Master. Unhelpful place to have to go, I know, but we are where we are.

Sorted now thanks. I do wonder if I am being over fastidious though. In the less than fifty records I have done I can't believe how many of mine have been different to the copies listed previously. It starts me thinking that if it is a record that is clearly worth nothing and is never going to sell whether people just say to themselves "I can't be bothered taking pictures, listing it as a different issue and adding it to the master, I will just lump it on the one already there"

chislenko
I do wonder if I am being over fastidious though.

On discogs, not possible :)

chislenko
It starts me thinking that if it is a record that is clearly worth nothing and is never going to sell whether people just say to themselves "I can't be bothered taking pictures, listing it as a different issue and adding it to the master, I will just lump it on the one already there"

Of course, no-one can stop you doing that. At least no-one can stop you doing it a few times...
One of the great things about discogs is the precision of documenting very specific pressings. Most of the time it won't matter, but sometimes it does - to someone. If you list something as a different pressing, you risk a buyer complaining that you have sold them a different record under false pretences. Sometimes someone will be after that specific pressing (actually probably quite often). Trouble is, you don't know which ones are important and which aren't. Fall foul of this enough times and your will likely suffer, and it'll make it harder for you to sell anything.

Plus, if you catalogue the release correctly, you're enhancing the database. Making it better; more complete.